Very sensitive images, but very REAL images that need to see the light of day. This is why I hate Israel. "God's Chosen People" my ass. Change my mind.
Many of these images are censored even on X for their extreme content, but ... welcome to 4um where reality is permitted!
The Israeli Gal Gadot screen shot is fitting contrasting Wonder Woman's concern about innocent children in a movie set with the real life actress's advocacy of Israel's brutal onslaught.

























































































#35: Pinguinite To: The_Rock (#19)
I hate Israel because of what it has done and what it has promoted, including religious based supremacism reaching the point where torturing sodomy and genocide is actively condoned and promoted. This is not in dispute.
The person referred to who was sodomized was only detained, not convicted, of any crime or terror activity whatsoever. As though sodomy would be justified even if he was.
Many of the photos above were from videos I myself made screen shots of. Yes, the possibility of fakery exists and have been suspicious of some, such as the little girl carrying her baby sister saying she was hit by a car. Not a fake photo as it's a video, but for me potentially staged. Propaganda happens on both sides of every war. But one cannot look at the photos of Gazan landscape being nothing but destroyed concrete buildings for as far as the eye can see, which there seems is no challenge as to being fake as even Israeli photos show, having received the equivalent of 3+ Hiroshima bombs on a region 13x more densely populated than Israel and and conclude that deaths are rare.
It's easier to post a web write-up claiming pics are fake than it is to make fakes. I note your article gives zero examples of photos that they say are fake. There is an enormous amount of video content of what's going on in Gaza which is believable as cell phones are everywhere today making that possible.
As for why Israel would kill journalists, the importance of public perception is something Israel has always been sensitive to, and they fight news wars as much as they fight military wars. So killing Journalists is (or at minimum, would be) an important means for them to control what the world sees. Israel did unilaterally shut down Al-jazeera news as part of this campaign, and simply labeling any journalist who dares give an opinion that Israel doesn't like can certainly earn a fake label of "Hamas Sympathizer" and executed.
Ethnic cleansing and genocide is no longer even being hidden or denied now. I see such advocates on new commentary on places like NewsMax, and Israeli talking heads and those on the street are openly advocating genocide because "God gave us this land".
Israel's ambitions will not end with Gaza and the West Bank.
They don't even try to hide this anymore.
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-25 10:06:39 Reply Private Reply
#36: Pinguinite To: watchman (#31)
The motive as I've been told, which seems credible to me, is that Hamas was created to spare Israel from being compelled to accept a 2-state solution. A more moderate gov in Gaza might have put forward or accepted a 2-state plan and then Israel would be under international pressure to accept it. But Israel doesn't want a 2-state solution at all, under any circumstances, so by promoting a more extreme gov in Gaza (Hamas) that would never want a 2-state solution either, Israel could always point the finger at them and say "well, we tried".
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-25 10:12:12 Reply Private Reply
#37: Pinguinite To: watchman (#32)
Below is a very credible and seemingly balanced take on Oct 7 which claims only 2 babies (under 1 year of age) were killed on Oct 7. One 10-month old and one newborn from that day. Any rape that may have taken place, according to the clip, if it happened at all, was isolated and not systematic or widespread.
And the IDF did kill hundreds of their own people that day. Perhaps the image of the burnt baby is real, but it may have been done by the IDF in their overzealous response under some doctrine (Hannibal directive) that says it's better that Israelis die than be held captive for even a short period of time.
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-25 10:22:33 Reply Private Reply
#38: watchman To: Pinguinite (#37)
This would have caused a massive civil war.
Most of those who were said to have died were young folks at a rave.
Take 4-6 ground crew per helicopter...well over 100 young soldiers involved in killing their friends and family members?
watchman posted on 2024-10-25 11:30:45 Reply Private Reply
#39: Pinguinite To: The_Rock (#29)
Israel is a shithole of a country full of a shitty people.
Or maybe it's a fake video?
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-25 11:34:33 Reply Private Reply
#40: Pinguinite To: watchman (#38)
No, I don't think so. You have to factor in what people are ready to believe, and few Israels would believe the IDF would do this. People choose what they want to believe and stick with it. Look at how long a 24 hour lie about beheaded babies has persisted a full year later.
And those that do understand it would believe the IDF had no choice in the matter.
Finally, if they get past that, they have to blame the IDF rather than Hamas. Recall the 3 escaped hostages that came to IDF soldiers with white flags and were gunned down by them? The mother of at least one said it was not the IDF's fault. Of course the IDF mistook the hostages for Palestinian civilians which is why they were shot, but even family members find a way to reassign blame from those that pulled the trigger.
No, when you are dealing with a very powerfully pre-programmed mindset as exists in Israel, the IDF can do no wrong whatsoever. There are exceptions as vast numbers of Israelis have protested against the genocide (perhaps my previous post about their being a "shitty people" is too broadbrushed but ... I'm not immune to such things myself, I suppose. But never underestimate the power of the human mind to believe things that are not true. As they say, it's much easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled.
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-25 11:44:56 Reply Private Reply
#41: Pinguinite To: All (#40)
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-25 12:20:27 Reply Private Reply
#42: watchman To: Pinguinite (#40)
I was buying in to the whole Hamas attack that day...until the "40 beheaded babies" girl reporter crashed the whole show.
This girl...
At that precise moment, the killings, rapes, and hostage stories went up in a puff of smoke. If the "40 babies" story was fake, then the whole thing was fake (as far as I was concerned).
The "40 beheaded babies" hoax revealed a lot of people, including AKA Stone and Ben Shapiro. Both, as far as I know, are still trying to convince us that the story is true. Since then, the video by the girl reporter has been scrubbed from the internet. Imagine such an important piece of video evidence would disappear like that...
watchman posted on 2024-10-25 15:15:24 Reply Private Reply
#43: FormerLurker To: The_Rock (#1)
Sure they are. They were doing this for years just for sport.
They made or allowed Oct. 7 to happen just so they could go hog wild and play the victim.
That you're too stupid to see that speaks volumes.
Or maybe you are like them and get off on it.
FormerLurker posted on 2024-10-25 19:37:13 Reply Private Reply
#44: FormerLurker To: Pinguinite (#39)
Pretty much.
I used to respect them, then I found out about their ties to the JFK assassination, the attacks against the USS Liberty, their involvement in the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, their involvement in 9/11, and countless other evil deeds.
And now this..
FormerLurker posted on 2024-10-25 20:00:22 Reply Private Reply
#45: FormerLurker To: All (#44)
LBJ traded silver for blood in that deal.
FormerLurker posted on 2024-10-25 20:05:09 Reply Private Reply
#46: The_Rock To: FormerLurker (#44)
You're a kook.
Israel is wiping on your friends in Iran now.
Death to Iran who you love because they took American hostages.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-25 20:37:55 Reply Private Reply
#47: The_Rock To: Pinguinite (#39)
You hate Jews. Ok lots of people do just like God said they would.
Why is that old woman squatting on Israeli soil?
Do you cry when Mexicans are deported out of America?
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-25 21:25:57 Reply Private Reply
#48: The_Rock To: Pinguinite (#33)
He just yells a lot because he can't make legitimate points.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-25 21:28:03 Reply Private Reply
#49: The_Rock To: Pinguinite (#35)
Some religions are not worthy of being protected. For example the Muslim satanist religion. Not a real religion.
Sodomy is not encouraged by the Israeli government. I'm sure Israel has bad people who do such things. They should be punished if the claim is actually true.
There is no genocide, if there was genocide they wouldn't give warnings before bombings and there would be 100 times more dead people. That is just anti western propaganda.
So it is in dispute because it is not true.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-25 21:31:33 Reply Private Reply
#50: The_Rock To: Pinguinite (#35)
They will take back all the long God promised. They should not take one inch more.
It is going to happen. I know that because the Bible is true.
People can cry about it but it will happen.
Watch and see.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-25 21:33:24 Reply Private Reply
#51: The_Rock To: FormerLurker (#43)
You like it when the muslims attack Israel. Just like you probably cheered when Iran took American hostages.
You talk like a foreigner. If you are you should go back to your muslim hellhole.
If you are really an American you are a weird one. Very strange.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-25 21:36:13 Reply Private Reply
#52: BTP Holdings To: Pinguinite, All (#2)
In 1917, Lord Arthur Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, wrote the Balfour Declaration. This document promised the Jews a national homeland in Palestine, which at the time was an Ottoman area with a minority Jewish population.
This document was presented to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.
Hitler wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar, a lush tropical island off the SE coast of Africa/ But they didn't want to hear that. The Jews wanted to go to Palestine.
The Havaara Agreement with a portion of their wealth that had been frozen in Germany. The rest of this wealth was used to purchase Reich farm equipment and other hard goods to break the Jewish boycott of German made goods when Judea Declares War on Germany.
All of this anti-Jewish activity in Germany came to a head with the murder of the Deputy Ambassador to France in Paris, Ernst vom Rath on 9 November 1938 by Herschel Grynszpan, a 17-year-old German-born Polish Jew living in Paris. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2024-10-26 14:53:51 Reply Private Reply
#53: BTP Holdings To: FormerLurker (#44)
When revealed, the truth hurts.
After the October missile attacks by Hezbollah from Gaza, 500,000 Jews fled Israel.
But do not expect to see Rabbi Dov Zackheim among them. He was Comptroller at the Pentagon before the attacks of 9-11-2001 and he fled to Israel after embezzling $2.9 Trillion from Pentagon coffers.
That part of the Pentagon that was hit on 9-11 was where the auditors were poring over the books to find the fraud. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2024-10-26 15:01:44 Reply Private Reply
#54: BTP Holdings To: Pinguinite (#0)
Man's inhumanity to man continues to flabbergast me. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2024-10-26 15:05:21 Reply Private Reply
#55: Esso To: BTP Holdings, 4um (#54)
I'm voting for the man and felon they're calling Hitler come Monday or on 05Nov2024.
I'm flummoxed by TDS.
Esso posted on 2024-10-26 15:12:53 Reply Private Reply
#56: Pinguinite To: The_Rock (#51)
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-27 09:39:48 Reply Private Reply
#57: The_Rock To: Pinguinite (#56)
They lied about colonization. The land is Israel and it is less than 1 percent of the Middle East.
The Palestinians are really Jordanians and Egyptians.
The Palestinians need to quit occupying Israel, go home to Egypt or Jordan and release the hostages.
If they keep firing on Israel from schools and hospitals they will die and they put their families at risk.
Israel has a right to exist on all the land the GOD gave them. Yes God.
So this will go on and on.
Why does Hamas still have hostages?
Your position is someone takes your people hostage and you can't do anything about it and you are responsible if the hostage takers fire missiles from you schools, hospitals. It is not a reasonable position.
Yes people die in war. Israel has rightly decided they aren't going to take it anymore.
That is my view and it is the right view.
I wish Iran (who took American hostages) would just realize that they are evil dictators who make women put bags on their heads or kill them. Would repend and quit funding this nonsense. But they wont because they worship the pedophile murderer Mohammad.
Iran and Israel were friends before the Muslim kooks took over.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 10:24:59 Reply Private Reply
#58: Pinguinite To: The_Rock (#47)
Well, if the caption is true that her family has lived in the house "for generations" I suppose that old lady was there because she was born there. Yes, I agree it's kind of hard to get past that kind of audacity!
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-27 10:48:52 Reply Private Reply
#59: Pinguinite To: The_Rock (#47)
Settlers stealing clothes from Palestinians.
Since it's already established that stealing homes from Palestinians is justified as God's will, we don't need to bother questioning whether this video is real as we already know Israeli settlers are fully entitled to anything and everything Palestinians own. In fact, we should be surprised there aren't more videos like this!
Of course, endorsing this kind of behavior requires one to check their Christian beliefs at the door, but nothing is too costly to dispense with for God's glorious "Chosen People".
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-27 10:56:56 Reply Private Reply
#60: Pinguinite To: The_Rock (#57)
If I took less than 1% of your bank account, would that be acceptable?
I made no comment justifying Hamas holding hostages. I am saying that suffering one crime against humanity does not justify another. You appear to disagree.
Though you do support this version of religious supremacism that justifies theft of lands and homes from people you know nothing about.
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-27 11:02:26 Reply Private Reply
#61: watchman To: The_Rock (#57)
Silly Stone. Everyone knows Edom has no claim to the land.
Baron de Edom Schield's name on a piece of paper means nothing to God.
Nah, only until Moshiach arrives, then he will destroy Edom.
"Saving Israel for last"
watchman posted on 2024-10-27 11:07:12 Reply Private Reply
#62: The_Rock To: watchman (#61)
You already lost that argument. You lost big. Edom is extinct.
freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/re...ArtNum=284712&Disp=31#C31
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 11:51:45 Reply Private Reply
#63: The_Rock To: Pinguinite (#59)
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 11:53:32 Reply Private Reply
#64: The_Rock To: Pinguinite (#60)
Just like the get away driver is guilty too if his accomplice kills someone. Hamas is guilty for all deaths for Israel defending themselves against Hamas.
If Israel did nothing they would be weak and the Muslims would just keep doing the same thing. You know that right.
100 percent Hamas's fault. That is the way I see it.
Yes there is tragedy and sadness. Why did Hama with Iran's blessing start this. Oh that is right they are muslim kooks who are brainwashed to kill Jews. It is in their unholy book.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 11:57:10 Reply Private Reply
#65: The_Rock To: Pinguinite (#60)
Two different groups believe they own the land. I will go with the one that I believe is more justified.
The land was taken from their jewish ancestors. God gave it to them.
I know you don't see it that way.
That is ok.
Nothing we say or do will change anything. We are "spectators".
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 12:01:01 Reply Private Reply
#66: The_Rock To: Pinguinite (#60)
If that was your ancestorial homeland. And if everyone around you wanted to exterminate you. You would think like Israel does.
And every true muslim around them wants to exterminate them.
They are in a fight for their very survival.
If all the Muslims left Israel, Israel would have no reason to fight them.
But they would still fight Israel since they are Israel and the Muslims hate the Bible and they hate the Jews and they hate the Christians and they hate the Hindus and they hate the Budhists and they hate the athiests and they hate the Michael Newtonists. The susis hate the shias and the shias hate the sunis.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 12:06:51 Reply Private Reply
#67: Pinguinite To: The_Rock (#65)
The people with the most blood of ancient Israel is them is most likely the Palestinians, their current Muslim faith not withstanding. Fact is that before about 120 years ago, most people spend their whole lives and did within some 20 miles of where they were born.
Palestinian people are actual Semites. The current Israelis are European. Nenanyahu is ethnic Polish.
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-27 12:53:35 Reply Private Reply
#68: watchman To: The_Rock (#62)
Wait, no, the Edom Schields look fresh as daisies...
There's even an Edom Schield blvd in Tel Aviv...
Edom is alive and well...and waiting for the messiah!
Don't you feel stupid for saying they are extinct...
watchman posted on 2024-10-27 14:38:16 Reply Private Reply
#69: BTP Holdings To: watchman (#68)
BTP Holdings posted on 2024-10-27 15:37:20 Reply Private Reply
#70: The_Rock To: watchman (#68)
No asshole. Any idiot can paste a picture and claim they alive. The encyclopedia and sources I have posted to you says they were wiped out. Just like the Bible says.
Only an idiot who posts a shield and says stop lights are red and that proves Edom exists would think something like that. In other words you moron.
I already had this discussion with you. You are to senile and forgetful to remember it obviously. You lost the debate as you offered zero documentation for your assinie claims.
Here is the thread where you couldn't put up shit.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=284712&Disp=29#C29
You're an idiot and a liar and generally a POS!
If you have found some proof besides a random photo on the internet please share it. But as of yet you haven't offered shit except your shit for brains.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 15:40:25 Reply Private Reply
#71: The_Rock To: BTP Holdings (#69)
Prove the USA has a Rothschild controlled central bank.
I know we have the Federal Reserve, which I don't think we should have. I would prefer constitutional money.
But I think you are wrong.
If you are correct than so be it. But you should show it.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 15:42:26 Reply Private Reply
#72: BTP Holdings To: Pinguinite (#35)
BTP Holdings posted on 2024-10-27 15:42:54 Reply Private Reply
#73: The_Rock To: BTP Holdings (#72)
They are their descendants. You just use that talking point to justify your hatred of Gods Chosen People.
Are you a Christian? Lots of times non Christians try to make that point because they don't want to live up to Gods word. Not always but often.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 15:45:41 Reply Private Reply
#74: BTP Holdings To: Pinguinite (#67)
It all goes back to the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Lord Arthur Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, wrote this document. It was presented to the Zionist Association of Great Briain an Ireland. It promised the Jews a national homeland in Palestine which at that time was an Ottoman area. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2024-10-27 15:48:19 Reply Private Reply
#75: watchman To: The_Rock (#70)
The Bible says God will deal with Edom "In that day..." Obadiah v.8
"In that day" refers to the last days, the time of judgment.
How could they be extinct? Are you calling God a liar?
watchman posted on 2024-10-27 16:27:40 Reply Private Reply
#76: watchman To: The_Rock (#73)
Isn't your fav song Highway To Hell by AC/DC?
It's like your anthem.
It's as if you've set your course for eternity.
watchman posted on 2024-10-27 16:38:29 Reply Private Reply
#77: The_Rock To: watchman (#75)
Why do you say it refers to the "last days"? Seriously I would like to know. "That day" seems to be referring to whatever time vs 7 is talking about. Can you explain?
7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 18:19:43 Reply Private Reply
#78: The_Rock To: watchman (#75)
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 18:22:09 Reply Private Reply
#79: BTP Holdings To: Pinguinite (#67)
He is the longest-serving Prime Minister in Israels history. His father, Benzion Netanyahu (born Benzion Mileikowsky), a scholar, was a Polish Jewish emigrant, born in Warsaw, who moved with his family to Israel in 1920. His mother, Tzila (Segal), was born in Petah Tikva, Israel, of Lithuanian Jewish, Polish Jewish, and Belarusian Jewish descent.
And don't forget that Bibi said, "We control the Americans and they know it."
BTP Holdings posted on 2024-10-27 18:22:09 Reply Private Reply
#80: The_Rock To: BTP Holdings (#79)
That is horsepoo.
Provide a legitimate citation.
You can't.
The_Rock posted on 2024-10-27 18:29:01 Reply Private Reply
#81: BTP Holdings To: Pinguinite (#56)
Again, it is the money grubbing Jew that comes to the fore.
BTW, the French did the right thing to not allow Israeli athletes into the country for the Olympics to protest the war in Gaza. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2024-10-27 18:34:08 Reply Private Reply
#82: Pinguinite To: The_Rock (#64)
So you are guilty of all abortions conducted/enabled/paid for by the Biden Administration?
Pinguinite posted on 2024-10-27 19:26:38 Reply Private Reply
#83: watchman To: The_Rock (#77)
Check out this link: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/phrases/In-that-Day
With Obadiah you would need to reconcile the usage with other prophecies, and the evidence you clearly see happening before your eyes.
I've explained all of this to you but you reject it.
watchman posted on 2024-10-27 19:30:43 Reply Private Reply
#84: watchman To: The_Rock (#78)
Absolutely not.
Back in the 1920's a convention of rabbis disclosed Calvin (Cauvin) was sent in to divide the church.
He did in fact divide the church and managed to kill dozen of Christians.
watchman posted on 2024-10-27 19:30:55 Reply Private Reply