Perhaps all that exists IS God.

That's called pan theology.

What if God IS all that exists, has ever existed, and will ever exist?

How would you know if that wasn't true?

We exist, don't we?

And we are certainly not God.

That's called pan theology.

But if God created Everything, wouldn't Everything equal God?

Or are there Creator bonus points? :)

But if God created Everything, wouldn't Everything equal God?

Or are there Creator bonus points? :)

No.

It means that God is the Creator, and "everything" else is His creation.

But I do see flaws in the Bible.

I see problem passages in the Bible, but not flaws/error.

It means that God is the Creator, and "everything" else is His creation.

But how could God exist if nothing existed?

[edit] I know, God just exists... :)

But how could God exist if nothing existed?

As I've mentioned God self-exists.

He is eternal...without beginning or end.

If this were not true He wouldn't be God.

[edit] I know, God just exists... :)

Now you're gettin' it!

You'll be a theologian in no time.

He is eternal...without beginning or end.

We reach!

Omniscience: God's ability to know everything from beginning to end in one thought

Omnipresence: God's presence everywhere at all times, the totality of His being fills the universe

Merciful: God's quality of showing mercy

Loving: God's quality of love that is selfless, unconditional, and sacrificial

Sovereign: God's position of power and authority over all things things

Immutable: God's quality of being unchanging in his character, will, and promises

Self-sufficient: God's quality of possessing infinite riches of being, wisdom, goodness, and power, complete in every way

Holy: God's quality of being perfectly holy

Just: God's quality of being perfectly just

Good: God's quality of being perfectly good

Gracious: God's quality of being perfectly gracious

Faithful: God's quality of being perfectly faithful

Truthful: God's quality of being perfectly truthful

I am not Herbert

Been a long ride, brutha.

Skepticism About Darwinian Evolution Grows as Over 1000 Scientists From Around the World Declare Their Doubts About Darwinism

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/skepticism-about-darwinian- evolution-grows-as-over-1000-scientists-from-around-the-world-declare- their-doubts-about-darwinism-300790168.html

WASHINGTON, Feb. 5, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- Over 1000 doctoral scientists from around the world have signed a statement publicly expressing their skepticism about the contemporary theory of Darwinian evolution, according to Discovery Institute. The statement, located online at www.dissentfromdarwin.org, reads: "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

"Because no scientist can show how Darwin's mechanism can produce the complexity of life, every scientist should be skeptical," said biologist Douglas Axe, director of the Biologic Institute. "The fact that most won't admit to this exposes the unhealthy effect of peer pressure on scientific discourse."

I've not kept up on my Science Digest subscription, but don't supernovas collapse into some sort of density pit?

My understanding is that basic stars are made of hydrogen which fuse into helium. After the hydrogen runs out, the helium then fuses into iron and once there's too much iron then it explodes in a supernova. In the explosion all the other elements are made instantly. All the material is blasted out into the surrounding space where it can form into rocks and such and planets.

Maybe there's something special about iron.

Who or what created God?

We do not know. And it's okay not to know. What we do know is that we are here and that we were created in some way. So just because we don't understand the creation of all things including God doesn't mean God doesn't exist.

Ray Comfort

I only know his name.

I did hear that he is expecting a revival because of the election.

That did it for me.

As far as I'm concerned the churches are completely fallen away and spued out...as delusional as the world...believing every lie they hear. And that would include Ray Comfort.

Chances of revival are slim to none...

Especially in passages that order the Jews to "smite" their enemies, men, women, children, and livestock.

Seems more of a order from men than an order from any sort of supreme being.

That would be one of them yes. Christian theology really has to do some backbending to explain this, basically in saying that since God created all of us and owns all of us he can do anything with us as he pleases. Okay maybe but it's still cruel as hell and simply isn't consistent with the New testament.

Primordial black holes and the Big Bang

Gravitational collapse requires great density. In the current epoch of the universe these high densities are found only in stars, but in the early universe shortly after the Big Bang densities were much greater, possibly allowing for the creation of black holes. High density alone is not enough to allow black hole formation since a uniform mass distribution will not allow the mass to bunch up. In order for primordial black holes to have formed in such a dense medium, there must have been initial density perturbations that could then grow under their own gravity

High-energy collisions

Gravitational collapse is not the only process that could create black holes. In principle, black holes could be formed in high-energy collisions that achieve sufficient density. As of 2002, no such events have been detected, either directly or indirectly as a deficiency of the mass balance in particle accelerator experiments.[132] This suggests that there must be a lower limit for the mass of black holes. Theoretically, this boundary is expected to lie around the Planck mass, where quantum effects are expected to invalidate the predictions of general relativity.[133]

This would put the creation of black holes firmly out of reach of any high-energy process occurring on or near the Earth. However, certain developments in quantum gravity suggest that the minimum black hole mass could be much lower: some braneworld scenarios for example put the boundary as low as 1 TeV/c2.[134] This would make it conceivable for micro black holes to be created in the high-energy collisions that occur when cosmic rays hit the Earth's atmosphere, or possibly in the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. These theories are very speculative, and the creation of black holes in these processes is deemed unlikely by many specialists.[135] Even if micro black holes could be formed, it is expected that they would evaporate in about 10−25 seconds, posing no threat to the Earth.[136]

This stuff is way beyond my pay grade, but if black holes exist they have either always existed or more likely had an origin.

I see problem passages in the Bible, but not flaws/error.

What's an example of a "problem passage"? Just so I understand the difference.

Had Israel obeyed, the world would not be suffering under the Edomites as we are today.

Remember Noah's flood? God destroyed everything on the earth.

Remember Sodom and Gomorrah? God destroyed everyone in those cities.

And He will kill off His creation again as we head to Armageddon.

God is perfectly just.

Big Bounce

The Big Bounce hypothesis is a cosmological model for the origin of the known universe. It was originally suggested as a phase of the cyclic model or oscillatory universe interpretation of the Big Bang, where the first cosmological event was the result of the collapse of a previous universe.

We don't shy away from them at all.

Will try to round up some examples after chores on the am

Edit: Perhaps you could provide an example of a flaw you found.

Had Israel obeyed, the world would not be suffering under the Edomites as we are today.

Sounds like it's a case of the ends justifying the means. That is a philosophical point that is soundly rejected under Christianity, is it not?

Sounds like it's a case of the ends justifying the means.

It's not that at all.

It's God's ability to see the future and to lessen the pain of future generations.

This stuff is way beyond my pay grade

Perhaps you could provide an example of a flaw you found.

Sure. Does God get angry? You posted a bunch of attributes about God a little bit ago. God knows everything and God is all powerful. Can you explain to me how it is possible for God to ever become angry or even jealous?

Say you go to work one day and you see a co-worker who is bubbling with rage. The Christian response to that would be to immediately start praying for this person. And I agree that's reasonable. But what is anger really? I say anger comes from insecurity. Something bad happens and it's beyond our control.

So when is God ever out of control? When does God ever suffer from insecurity? When has he ever surprised about something bad happening? And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from?

I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above. It just doesn't fit. What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people.

I don't think it's possible for God to be wrathful or jealous. These are human attributes that are painted on to God that are not real.

It's God's ability to see the future and to lessen the pain of future generations.

Done at the expense of a people? Sounds like another way of saying the ends justifies the means.

I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above. It just doesn't fit. What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people.

Well put, thank you.

If I was omnipotent I wouldn't really much care what mortals thought of me. :)

I wouldn't really much care what mortals thought of me.

The Lord Commander Kimberly might smite you for that.

MD = God

If I was omnipotent I wouldn't really much care what mortals thought of me. :)

The Greek deities were very concerned about what people thought. And we know that from movies like Clash of the Titans and Immortals.

Done at the expense of a people?

Done 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙖𝙪𝙨𝙚 of a people, and the choices they made.

They used their free will to go to the furthest place of human depravity.

There were consequences for their choices...and there are consequences for the choices of the Israelites in not following God's directive.

We are living in those consequences today.

How do you like those Rothschilds, eh?

Does God get angry?

Yes. The Bible is filled with examples of God's anger.

So when is God ever out of control? When does God ever suffer from insecurity? When has he ever surprised about something bad happening?

Never.

And what could ever possibly happen that God couldn't recover from? What could ever happen that God would need to recover from?

Question not understood.

I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above.

His anger falls under the attribute of being just, requiring justice. And also love.

What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people.

Nope. The leaders didn't have to tell the people of God's anger...everyone felt it immediately and personally. God would flat out kill scores of people until they came back into line.

I don't think it's possible for God to be wrathful or jealous. These are human attributes that are painted on to God that are not real.

But didn't God say we are made in His image? You have emotions because God has emotions.

I say the concept of an angry or jealous God is inconsistent with the attributes you listed above. It just doesn't fit. What does fit is that leaders would tell people that God is angry, jealous and wrathful. And they would do it as a means of controlling people. Well put, thank you.

All you and Ping need are a couple of spoiled brats running around...then you'd understand God's anger perfectly :)

Child to parent: "I don't like you. You are not my boss. Ima tear some sh*t up".

Parent to child: "O, h3ll nah. Not today, Satan. Ima kill you. I brought you into this world, I can take you out!"

Child goes to his room: "My parent loves me and stopped me from doing wrong stuff" (grows up to thank his parents for their love)

Parent goes into room: Weeps. (Watches child grow up strong and honorable)

Of course, life isn't always this favorable...but, yeah, this is how life happens.

That's called pan theology.

But if God created Everything, wouldn't Everything equal God?

I meant to say "pantheism" rather than pan theology.

Pantheism is the philosophical and religious belief that reality, the universe, and nature are identical to divinity or a supreme entity, The physical universe is thus understood as an immanent deity, still expanding and creating, which has existed since the beginning of time. --wiki

Pantheism is the basic belief behind the bb theory...that matter, space, energy, even life itself...is God...and has created itself.

Pantheists worship the planets and stars, the earth, animals, other human beings...it's quite common.

The Bible said it would happen...

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙨𝙝𝙞𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙚𝙧𝙫𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙘𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝘾𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙩𝙤𝙧...Romans1.25 (bold italics mine)

And we are certainly not God.

We are all PART of that which is God.

God was perfectly right and just to command the destruction of Amalek...men women, children, livestock, the very memory of them.

Here is where I can't take people such as yourself seriously.

The murder of innocent men, women, and children, theft of their possessions, destruction of their livestock, is EVIL and it is WRONG.

It's like something Charles Manson would approve of.

Only EVIL minds and hearts would order or condone such a thing, certainly NOT the Creator of all that exists, nor those who sincerely value life and goodness in the world.

It's akin to what modern day Jews use to justify their genocide against Palestinians.

In reality, the words of Samuel were most likely written after the fact, and were written to ease the guilt felt by the soldiers who carried out the rape, murder, and destruction of innocent people.

Pure EVIL feeds off of human horror, anguish, suffering, and pain. So if something told Samuel to "smite" anyone, it was likely PURE EVIL (Satan) who was hungry and needed to be fed.

Hearing voices in your head ordering you to kill people is usually considered insanity, not divine inspiration.

We are all PART of that which is God.

I was created by God, with a free will.

Once, I was apart from God and wanted nothing to do with Him.

Then, one day, I beheld His glory...and chose to be with Him now and in eternity.

Christ's death and shed blood made it possible that I, a sinful man, could be in the presence of a Holy God.

certainly NOT the Creator of all that exists,

You seem so 'certain' that you know the Creator.

Describe the Creator to me so that I can know the Creator too.

You seem so 'certain' that you know the Creator.

Describe the Creator to me so that I can know the Creator too.

I know what the Creator is NOT.

The Creator is not an impotent voice in the head of a primitive backwards People, who orders his "People" to commit mindless murder.

If anyone actually needed to be "smitten", it would not be at the hands of men, but by divine intervention such as earthquake, flood, lightning, disease, etc.

The killing of innocent men, women, children, including babies, unleashes unfathomable misery, horror, fright, and suffering. Such negative energies strengthen evil.

Additionally, COMMITTING murder corrupts the soul.

So in reality, the Jewish Rulers were evil men and wrote their texts to portray themselves as divinely inspired.

Amalek

The murder of innocent men, women, and children, theft of their possessions, destruction of their livestock, is EVIL and it is WRONG

Amalek means "those who lick blood"

They were utterly barbaric.

God, being omniscient, knew that their enfants would grow up to be utterly barbaric (otherwise God would have spared them).

Even the livestock needed to be destroyed because people were superstitious in those days and those who got the livestock of the Amalekites would have been tempted to carry on the traditions of the Amalekites.

Even so, because Amalek was spared, his descendants went on to become the Edomites. Today, the Rothschilds have taken the name of the Edomites.

You have boasted of your knowledge of ancient people, but I do not find much depth of your knowledge.

You still have not described what the Creator IS...

Amalek means "those who lick blood"

So said the Jews who murdered them.

All Palestinians are terrorists, isn't that right?

But yeah, I don't believe the tales told by barbaric murderers.

Much like those who perpetrated the medieval inquisitions, those who claim to be pious and holy are usually the complete opposite, and are in fact the very evil they claim to be against.

God is ALL that exists.

The winner always gets to write history..

Even in modern times the truth is often the opposite of what is told by the powerful.

God is ALL that exists.

You seem ambivalent or unable to talk about God, but you speak forcefully for God in what God is NOT...

You said this in post #29...

What that means is that God exists beyond our Universe, is in fact ALL Universes that have ever existed, exist today, and will ever exist.

What does this even mean? God is impersonal? Distant? Beyond our knowing? Does our Creator care about the creation, including us?

You know the Creator is not...

The Creator is not an impotent voice in the head of a primitive backwards People, who orders his "People" to commit mindless murder.

How do you know this? Maybe the Creator is in fact this, if we are all part of God, and that God is ALL that exists.

Just asking...

So said the Jews who murdered them.

Here you are mistaken.

The Israelites, not the Jews, attacked the Amalekites.

Huge difference.